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  1. Default Would I be considered... 
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    a Professional Haunter?

    I have been haunting for two years, this will be my third. I have done the last two years in a very old 7000 sq ft retired School (three floors), and this year I am moving the show into a 60,000 sq ft retired Hospital (four floors, using three for the Haunt)

    There is one problem with all this and that is that I live in a town of less then 5000people, however I get approx 30% of the population go through my Haunt. I am also reaching much further this year with my advertising so I'm hoping the numbers will rise considerably.

    So what do you think? am I in your league? not that I put that much emphasis on that, my aim is for a good show, but I would like to know.
     

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    Well.... I don't know about the Big Heads, but I would consider you to be in the same class.... this aside, who cares what others think, you are doing your thing and prob. kicking aXx doing it.....
    Last edited by maliciousstudios; 08-17-2008 at 04:11 AM.
     

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    Are you asking if you should be looked upon as an equal ? Or are you asking if you should be considered as a pro haunt? I mean , I would guess that most haunters can't be considered PRO unless they live soley on their earning from haunting. I mean if a basketballer goes pro he plays for a living...same with a musician, they are independent.... Atleast that's how I'd look at it.... which my opinion means squat.... I'm nobody just my opinion take it or leave it....lol
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    I think pro means you rent or own a building, charge admission, get inspected, have insurance, pay your staff, etc. It doesn't really relate to your attendance.

    If your staff is volunteer and you donate most of your proceeds to noble causes you are generally called a charity haunt. There are haunts out there that don't pay actors and are not charities but still try to make a profit....I don't know what they would be called.

    If you do it out of your home or yard and don't do most of the above stuff you are generally called a home or yard haunt.

    How good the show is really doesn't relate to what type it is, except larger for profit events tend to have bigger budgets. They also have to spend lots on operations, rent and safety, so up to a point it is a wash.

    As far as living off of the haunt I would think that is a VERY low percentage... Even folks that could live off the haunt usually have other things going on.

    All any of us can do is the best job we can with the tools provided in the time we can spare.

    Thanks!




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    Thank you for your thoughts guys, I appreciate them.

    I guess I was just asking because it seems the people on this forum take this business very seriously and it would be nice to be thought of as many of you are, Pro Haunters.

    I do rent a building, charge admission, get inspected, and have insurance. The difference is as you can imagine in a town this size I have a lot of friends that step in as actors. I also give a portion of admission to children in need.

    As I mentioned before, of course the bottom line is the show I put on for the people. Hopefully they like it and think it was worth the admission. I am fully aware that is truly what matters.
     

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    I would categorize a pro haunt as a haunt whose profits are actually that: profits.

    A "charity" haunt, I believe (I could be wrong), is one which is governed by
    rules for its proceeds. For example, X percentage of net proceeds would be
    required to be placed in certain funds. A charity haunt is formalized by
    filing as a 501(c)(3) organization.

    In a "for-profit" haunt, these requirements do not exist.

    Where I differ from Speculo's definition of a charity haunt is in the pay status
    of the actors. To me, if you are running a for-profit haunt and the actors
    choose to work for free, well, then that's their choice. It has no bearing
    on what is done with the proceeds of the haunt.

    As for garnering all your income from the haunt in order to be considered
    pro, I would respectfully disagree with that, too. There are thousands of
    freelancers and moonlighters in all kinds of industries who work for pay.
    But just because they hold down more than one job does not detract
    from the fact that they are professionals.

    And the way you describe your haunt, it sounds to me like you are
    definitely a pro!

    Cheers!
    Sarah
     

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    Haunts aside, what does it mean to "go pro?"

    I think everyone is a professional, just ask them. To me ( just my opinion ) after thinking about this since the thread started..... I think there ARE a limited amount of people who run a "pro haunt" because its hard to attain. Simply saying that if you have a yard or home haunt you are a home or yard haunter. If you have a charity haunt you are a charity haunter. If you have a haunt you are a average haunter. Finally, if you have a haunt that is beyond this and has taken it to the highest level, where you would live from the revenue generated by the haunt you would be "pro"

    Going pro to me doesnt question the integrity of a professional were all professionals, we all try to act professional ( most of the time - Im retarded ) going pro to me means taking your haunt to the "highest level" one can achieve.
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  8. Default Connotations of the word "pro" 
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    Then you are wondering whether your haunt has reached a certain status.

    The criteria has not yet been set, as we have seen in the thread
    "America's Best Haunts," LOL.

    But I see what you mean.

    Yes, your haunt is far beyond that of a home/yard haunt. But are your
    props, scares, actors, etc. of a "pro" caliber? My guess is that the answer
    there is "it's relative."

    If you have a seasoned eye, which has seen numerous money-collecting
    haunts, then you would be better able to judge.

    Have you watched some of the videos that have been posted? That
    might give you some idea of where you are. If at all possible, too, go
    to the nearest city one night and go through the haunts there.

    Sarah
     

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    This is why I dont categorize haunts as "professional".

    I split them up between,

    commercial attractions, aka, for profit,

    home haunts, and

    charity haunts.
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    maybe its best not to categorize haunts as pro, like gadget stated.... I guess his haunt list is a bit better. Because Pro to me seems above average, as pro should mean. which most have not achieved, if not about the money then must be about the quality.... quality meaning that not every haunt falls into this category of Pro by means of budget or abilities. So to not tarnish one feelings it is prob. better not to rate a haunt in that way. Top 13 to me is a promotional advertisement for the industry as a whole, which does ( sort of ) represent some ( not all ) of the industries best or ( pro ) The videos I had seen were very good, but most show the best parts of the haunt, its not the haunt experience. This couldnt be used to judge what haunt is better due to the fact that they are made up i.e. The Whoper or Big Mac on T.V. looks better than the one you get in the wrapper when you visit as a customer.

    Even though this is the best way ( in my opinion ) to judge them, because it is impossible to visit them all and judge them before the year is over.

    Ive always thought instead of trying to be the best in the nation the list should start with the best in the sate. Once becomming the best in the state the list would be narrowed down to 50. I know what your going to say, thats too many ....or who cares about 50 haunts spread across the nation.... BUT I would think that one single person at that point could view and choose who from the 50 would make the top 13.

    Just my 2 cents.... ( but then again Im cRaZy )....lol
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